Kidd and The Kid… Where we go from here

The Teacher and the Prized Pupil

So, with the first chaotic week of Free Agency in the books, we’ve got a little bit better idea where the Knicks stand going into the ’12-’13 season. And, at the moment, the Bockers stand at 12-1 for an NBA title with the Vegas odds makers per a graphic ESPN made up. It feels great to be considered in that class of elite teams, but the front office’s work is not done for the offseason, so I wanted to take a quick look at what’s gone down and where the Knicks should be going next.

First, let’s address the big stuff. Both the Knicks and the Mavs had the dream of landing 2 out of the Nash/Kidd/Lin group of free agent PGs (after of course Dallas’ ill-fated temptation of Deron Williams). Miraculously, it looks like the Knicks, and not the 2011 Champion Mavs, are the ones to pull off the 2 PG haul, which just blows my mind, because that type of stuff never happens to the Knicks. Granted, Nash was a FAR superior option to Kidd at this point, but the mere thought of never seeing Zombie Mike Bibby taking the floor in a Knicks’ uni again just warms my heart… which is ironic, because his heart hasn’t been warm in years. While still a little uncertainty exists surrounding the specifics (whether Kidd’s deal is going to be for the Mini MLE or a sign & trade) it seems fairly safe to say that Lin and Kidd will be the PGs in Gotham for the next 3 years. Mark Stein was quoted as saying a source with knowledge of the Knicks thinking said the Knicks would match up to 1 billion dollars for Lin…. So I’m thinking $30 mil is right in their wheelhouse. We will have a point/counterpoint to the Kidd signing shortly so I won’t steal their thunder, but I will say I was in favor of the Kidd signing for a variety of reasons. As much as anything, he has morphed his game into being a spot up shooter (always a positive with the Bockers’ front court scoring), will have a ton of wisdom to impart on the 23 year old Lin, bring a bucket of intangibles to the table and is still one of the greatest passers on the planet. Take a look at his teams’ performance when he is surrounded on the floor by excellent shooters; it’s incredible. Place him on a second unit with Novak and JR (more on them in a second) and you’ll have a dangerous offensive second unit. Hopefully the deal is for the MLE, so Grunwald still has the ability to package those contracts in a sign a trade elsewhere for more help. If it is ultimately in a sign and trade, we may give him more money than first anticipated (or he deserves), although we would still have the mini MLE to use. Either way, we should be able to bring in at least one more impactful piece.

As far as Lin goes, bringing him back had to be done, for a bunch of reasons. We have no other choice and Daryl Morey has apparently fallen asleep at the wheel this offseason, because the construction of the offer sheet the Knicks need to match could have been SOOOO much worse. The details appear to be roughly $30mil over 4 years, with a TEAM option for the 4th (which is at about $10mil). So, the team’s 3 year window is firmly in place, and if it isn’t working at that point, there will be about a zillion dollars in expiring contracts to move and rebuild quickly. As much as everyone hated to miss out on Nash, for basically the same money in year 3 of that deal, I’d be willing to say that the difference between a 26 year old Lin and 41 year old Nash is probably going to be a lot closer than people are giving credit for at the moment. With Kidd to mentor him, Lin can grow into his contract, making the MSG cash registers ring all the while. Remember, he’s only 23, and has effectively played half a rookie season at the NBA level after playing Ivy League competition in college. The point (guard) is, anyone who looks at Lin as a finished product is out of their minds. Yes, the turnovers are a problem, but see the prior point; how many rookie PGs would struggle with turnovers trying to run a complicated offense with very little prep time and no training camp? The defense was a problem at times as well, but no one does more defensively with less physical talent (at this point in his career) than Kidd, so he should be able to teach Jeremy the finer points of defending with your head. With Lin’s outstanding athleticism, that should translate into a solid defender, above his already impressive ability to get in the passing lanes and create turnovers on the perimeter with his quick hands. As far as the only other significant flaw in his game, his shooting, that is something that takes time to develop (again, Kidd is a great example) and he will get there in time. We may look back at this Lin contract in 3 years and be doing back flips we can secure him for a 4th year at a salary right around $10 mil.

In terms of filling out the rest of the roster, there is still work to do. Novak has made no indication in his numerous interviews that he wants to be anything other than a Knick, and barring some huge change of heart or crazy offer, he’ll be back in NY. His perimeter shooting will be a big part of the 2nd unit again and a massive weapon at Kidd’s disposal. My man (typed with as much sarcasm as possible) JR Smith will likely be back as well. I couldn’t be more conflicted over this move. On the one hand, he was atrocious in the playoffs last year, and seems to have no ability to play within the confines of a team game. He’s good enough to win you games by himself, and bad enough to kill you on any given night. And, he’s the reigning world leader in long, ISO 2 pointers, the worst shot in basketball. But, for what would be a contract of roughly $3 mil, he is way too talented to not bring back, and the Knicks’ hole at 2 guard is way too glaring to not address. Part of that is because Fields is all but gone to Toronto with the absurd offer sheet Colangelo threw at him to try and eliminate the Knicks ability to sign and trade for Nash. Unfortunately for the Raptors, it didn’t work, Nash went to LA, and now Fields will be making huge money to clank jumpers for them long after Colangelo is fired. Although we are simply talking about Jimmy Dolan’s luxury tax money since we can go over the cap to match on Landry, I still think there is almost no way to fathom matching Fields’ offer sheet; it’s simply that excessive. So, thanks for the good times Landry; it’s been fun. Enjoy the 20 million Loonies.

It’s also expected that Jared Jeffries will be back for the vet minimum, a move I’m fine with, provided we can secure another big to allow JJ to come in and play balls to the wall defense for 15 minutes a night without being depended on to stay out of foul trouble and play a bigger role. Give Tyson a breather, take a ton of charges, and do the little things you do JJ, and we’ll be cool.

So, currently the Knicks roster projects as the following in my eyes:

Starters 2nd unit Deep Bench/Other   Assets
PG J Lin Kidd
SG ? JR Toney *Shump*
SF Melo Novak James White Medium Fish
PF STAT ? Jorts Big Fish
C Tyson Jeffries Gadzuric Jerome Jordan

Clearly, Shump is the starter at the 2, but we need another perimeter shooter who can play D in Shump’s place, lest JR take that starting role. Additionally, I’ve been screaming for it since the season ended, but we need another big that can bang. Yes, Melo can, will and should play a ton of 4… but Tyson and JJ need help. Probably why I nearly cried when Reggie Evans signed across the bridge in BK for a very manageable salary. We should have been all over that like Reggie Evans on some guy’s nuts during a loose ball. It was also why I was upset we didn’t move up to draft Bernard James, who could have filled that role immediately and effectively. If Kidd’s deal is for the MLE, Grunwald can still execute a Sign & Trade with our slew of unguaranteed deals (Gadzuric, Jerome Jordan, Jorts) and Toney’s expiring contract, up to roughly $6 mil or so. If his deal is ultimately a S&T, then hopefully Toney isn’t included so A) my boy is still on our roster and B) Kidd isn’t making more than say $10 mil over 3. Either way, we should be able to still target a SG and a PF, one with MLE type money, and another at the vet minimum.

For the guards, there are still a lot of things to be worked out, but Randy Foye’s name has been brought up as a possibility. Foye would be a nice fit since he is an excellent shooter and can handle in a pinch. Foye has been said to be very interested in the Knicks for the MLE, and with Billups and Crawford inking deals in Clipperland, he won’t be back there. He should be extremely high on our radar for guards. We have also been linked to OJ Mayo, who is a talent I would certainly gamble on if given the opportunity, but there is no way he signs for the MLE, so the only way that would get done would be a S&T. Still, he would be a good fit and capable of starting at the 2 while Shump rehabs. I’d also love DeShawn Stevenson if the Nets made him available, as he is basically the 2 guard equivalent of Reggie Evans… you know a guy is hard when he charges his boys $4.50 just to use the ATM in his kitchen… Just try and read that sentence again without laughing. We’ve also been connected with Sonny Weems (pass), and there has been support on our internal emails for Kirk Hinrich. For my money, I think Foye is the guy.

For bigs, I’ve been saying it since last year, but can we PLEASE get Kenyon Martin in here? Although he won’t lose his starter’s role, Amar’e belongs with that 2nd unit as the inside, offensive focal point with Kidd delivering the ball and JR and Novak spreading the floor. So, we need a big capable of playing bully between Melo and Tyson, who doesn’t need the ball to be effective. Enter Kmart, who can probably be had for something close to the veteran minimum. If not Kmart, I would love to see Marcus Camby back in a Knicks uni (partly so I can finally wear his jersey in public again without people thinking I’m still trying to hold on to the 90s). Camby will probably take more than the MLE, so if we sign Kidd for the MLE and deal for Camby in a sign and trade, that could work, especially with Daryl Morey going all Lord of the Rings on future cap space all the sudden. If not Kmart or Camby, maybe we look at a guy like the Vanilla Gorilla, Joel Przybilla, who might accept a vet minimum deal or something close to it. Just someone that can rebound, set hard screens and get physical is the key for this spot, as they should hopefully be the dirty work guy that gets STAT’s minutes with the first team as he leads the 2nd shift offense.

In an ideal world, we resign JR (I can’t believe I just typed that), Jeffries & Novak, look to land a guard like Foye and big or two like Kmart, and get ready to go to battle for the 2 seed for the next 3 years. At the very least, securing our PG position has been a great start… now time to see how far Kidd and The Kid can take us…


  1. Sachmo

    Spot on brother. Not that I agree on every player / point, but this is almost to a T what I’ve been saying. Kidd was the right choice for the right price (no more!). The intangible bucket is A) what a championship team needs up and down the roster B) What Woody / Chandler / even Shump have started bringing and C) why Kidd is a much better value for NYK than Nash. Nash would have been leaps and bounds better than Kidd on the court. But his lack of D, lack of fundamentals overall (what he does is unique, but its not what you teach players to do…like you wouldn’t ever teach Reggie’s jumpshot to anyone) are counter to what we’ve been trying to do and what we NEED. Thing is, every player including Melo needs this attitude. And I’d say if Kidd doesn’t have respect, no one will…so I doubt that will be an issue.

    That said our pieces are going to be pretty solid. Novak I’ve liked since watching him on LAC. JJ – no one has mentioned this – i think the man took it to heart that HE was the one who blew the layup in the Boston playoff game. I’ve always loved his effort, but always thought the reason he is basically ONLY on D’Antoni’s radar is that MD has no idea what good D is. Other than just taking charges he was a decent help defender, but that was really it. COMPLETE liability on O, no shot, horrible inside, terrible hands and really mediocre on D except that we had no D anyway. That said, this year he looked SMOOTH with the ball. Suddenly had a confident 15 foot jumper, several great cuts / catches / finishes. THAT JJ is perfect for us, so kudos to him. Maybe its in my head, but really – he’s NOW the player MD kept saying he had. He went from the target of my hate to I want him….too good a value for that versatility.

    JR – im with you. How do you pay a bad decision making, bad defending streak shooter? At least Starks could ball on D. But he couldn’t drop 40 either. Given we have very little option / depth, he’s a decent value. I also think Woody has about the best approach you could have with the guy. Not an easy task…but an ok keep. Plus when he DOES get hot, get out the way. With Lin out, he was the only other guy who could get a shot…as bad as they were (thank you for the “bad 2pt” mention. QUIT IT DAMNIT!) So now with Lin and Kidd…he’ll hopefully get the ball where he needs.

    I’d love DeShawn Stevenson…I believe value-wise he’d be great, again a defensive minded player who can shoot (I never know what these guys are asking…so good value is a bit of a guess…Batum at 11.25!? I thought he could be had at 1/2 that). Foye would be ok too…good depth, could start if needed. The Camby man, never DIDNT want that guy, and having a more battle-tested JJ wouldnt hurt. Only issue is age, but 9 boards w/ mediocre minutes? We need that. K-mart I’d say would be next on the list…we could use a Mase/Oak like thug. And even if our D doesn’t gel, how nice would lining up Chandler / Camby / JJ when we NEED a stop? Thats assuming what I’m deeming the Woody effect (the best coach we’ve had since JVG, Larry Brown doesnt count) doesn’t keep making this team better through you know, a good system and coaching (weird! Thats not a splashy FA move!?). Right attitude, right approach, right coach.

    Good write up. Love it when people’s opinions are supported with the WHY. Oh and facts! Thanks…go NYK!

  2. Bakeshow (Post author)

    Thanks for the great feedback Sachmo. Great point with the defensive culture aspect of the PG moves. We’ve really been pushing in that direction with the signing of Chandler, emergence of Shump, Woodson taking the reigns. I wouldnt say that Nash is M D’A on the floor in terms of a outright distaste for defense, but the fact is he isnt very good. Kidd on the other hand is still a very capable defender (especially when it comes to a team scheme), and strong enough to cover multiple positions. His defensive flaw at this point is he no longer has the athleticism to cover anyone with great speed on the perimeter, but he is definitely a far better defensive piece than Nash would have been… plus landing Nash would have required parting with Shump. So, Kidd over Nash (and retaining Shump) is a huge win from a defensive culture stand point… although in a lot of other ways, obviously Nash brought about 5x as much to the table. The other point on Kidd in relation to his defense and it slipping a little bit this year was it was always related back to, “he doesn’t have Tyson Chandler to cover up his mistakes” or some similar refrain. Well, now he does again. So that should work out well.

    It’ll be interesting to see where we go from here. Always love the feedback though, much appreciated

  3. Pingback: Quick Weekend FA Hits | Analysis for semi-realistic Knicks fans

  4. Pingback: Rounding Out The Roster | Analysis for semi-realistic Knicks fans

  5. Pingback: Knicks Jason Kidd’s Recent DWI Reflects Need for Mentors in the Game of Life | Sandy

  6. Pingback: Knicks Jason Kidd’s Recent DWI Reflects Need for Mentors in the Game of Life | :: Sparxxrx LLC ::

  7. Pingback: Knicks Jason Kidd’s Recent DWI Reflects Need for Mentors in the Game of Life - Independent Newspaper Articles

  8. Pingback: Grading the Knicks’ Offseason: Signing Jason Kidd | Analysis for semi-realistic Knicks fans

  9. Pingback: Knicks Jason Kidd’s Recent DWI Reflects Need for Mentors in the Game of Life | News News and News

Leave a Comment

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

You may use these HTML tags and attributes: <a href="" title=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <cite> <code> <del datetime=""> <em> <i> <q cite=""> <strike> <strong>